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		<title>By: Jon Arnold</title>
		<link>http://www.viraljesus.org/2010/08/we-told-him-to-stop-because-he-was-not-one-of-us/comment-page-1/#comment-3069</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Arnold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the thoughts, Maria. You&#039;ve nailed what I&#039;m trying to say. My hope is for a more thoughtful and civil dialog. And a lot of responses to this post give me great encouragement in that hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the thoughts, Maria. You&#8217;ve nailed what I&#8217;m trying to say. My hope is for a more thoughtful and civil dialog. And a lot of responses to this post give me great encouragement in that hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At first I feared that you were going to tell me it was my Christian duty to like Glenn Beck. Then I realized that you were saying that no matter who says, &#039;Turn to God&#039;, even Glenn Beck, it will be a good thing to say. I can live with that. And I think that recognizing that (God&#039;s) truth and beauty can be found anywhere and on anyone&#039;s mouth has the benefit of making us more open-minded toward people and things that we disagree with or are foreign to. It does seem like Jesus would like that. Good post. I like how you brought in something polarizing to at least raise our blood pressure while reading!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At first I feared that you were going to tell me it was my Christian duty to like Glenn Beck. Then I realized that you were saying that no matter who says, &#8216;Turn to God&#8217;, even Glenn Beck, it will be a good thing to say. I can live with that. And I think that recognizing that (God&#8217;s) truth and beauty can be found anywhere and on anyone&#8217;s mouth has the benefit of making us more open-minded toward people and things that we disagree with or are foreign to. It does seem like Jesus would like that. Good post. I like how you brought in something polarizing to at least raise our blood pressure while reading!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Arnold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Arnold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 08:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With David, I think you are amplifying my point. You are saying he repented, so it&#039;s all good. Here&#039;s another one - Saul was anointed, rejected of God as king, but still prophesied (spoke for God) after all that. As near as I can tell, he never repented. What do we do with that? 

I never said a thing about following &quot;celebrities&quot; as shepherds. I am not advocating for that, of course. I used an extreme public figure to illustrate how we categorize and demonize - we want to make sure we tell everyone all the things we disagree with rather than simply being encouraged that truth is being spoken.

I am pointing out that we are more likely to say &quot;I hate that guy and everything he stands for&quot; than we are to say &quot;x,y, and z that he just said was true.&quot; Paul could just as easily have said &quot;you Athenians and all your pagan worship and idols - you are wrong, wrong wrong!&quot; instead of &quot;I see in all things you are very religious&quot; and going on to explain Jesus as their &quot;unknown God&quot; while quoting their poets. He is saying &quot;you have stumbled upon some truth - let me explain it to you fully.&quot; That is a compelling message. And he didn&#039;t even have to worship any idols to get them to like him :-).

Most of all I am hoping we can find some humility and civility in our discourse - the courage to admit that we &quot;see through a glass darkly&quot;, that we don&#039;t know everything and aren&#039;t the sole arbiters of who God can and can&#039;t use. 

That may not have cleared anything up, but I enjoyed writing it :-). As always, thanks for posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With David, I think you are amplifying my point. You are saying he repented, so it&#8217;s all good. Here&#8217;s another one &#8211; Saul was anointed, rejected of God as king, but still prophesied (spoke for God) after all that. As near as I can tell, he never repented. What do we do with that? </p>
<p>I never said a thing about following &#8220;celebrities&#8221; as shepherds. I am not advocating for that, of course. I used an extreme public figure to illustrate how we categorize and demonize &#8211; we want to make sure we tell everyone all the things we disagree with rather than simply being encouraged that truth is being spoken.</p>
<p>I am pointing out that we are more likely to say &#8220;I hate that guy and everything he stands for&#8221; than we are to say &#8220;x,y, and z that he just said was true.&#8221; Paul could just as easily have said &#8220;you Athenians and all your pagan worship and idols &#8211; you are wrong, wrong wrong!&#8221; instead of &#8220;I see in all things you are very religious&#8221; and going on to explain Jesus as their &#8220;unknown God&#8221; while quoting their poets. He is saying &#8220;you have stumbled upon some truth &#8211; let me explain it to you fully.&#8221; That is a compelling message. And he didn&#8217;t even have to worship any idols to get them to like him <img src='http://www.viraljesus.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>Most of all I am hoping we can find some humility and civility in our discourse &#8211; the courage to admit that we &#8220;see through a glass darkly&#8221;, that we don&#8217;t know everything and aren&#8217;t the sole arbiters of who God can and can&#8217;t use. </p>
<p>That may not have cleared anything up, but I enjoyed writing it <img src='http://www.viraljesus.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> . As always, thanks for posting.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Arnold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Arnold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 07:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last example you used, a parallel to the actions of King David, may not be totally applicable. The real difference between most of the folks we see fall and King David was that King David was annointed, and he was called &quot;a man after God&#039;s own heart.&quot; When Nathan came to David with a rebuke, David went to the extreme to repent and intercede for the unborn child. None of us are perfect, but David&#039;s example shows us how we can stumble and yet be restored. 

True, many people out there may occasionally say something that is true, even noteworthy, however the Bible teaches us that the sheep know the voice of the shepherd. And nobody else really matters do they? We may be able to use a nugget as a conversation starter or point of agreement as long as we always point towards Jesus as the truth in that nugget, relating it to the Word.

Much of the &quot;religious&quot; folk in America are trying so hard to be culturally relevant and would love so much to claim this celebrity or that one as one of their own, (as if this were some badge of honor), they forget the simplicity of the Gospel and our mandate: &quot;Go and make disciples...&quot;

If we followed the example of the sheep, and fed, clothed, visited those that needed it in Jesus&#039; name, the church would be relevant where it stood, no celebrities needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last example you used, a parallel to the actions of King David, may not be totally applicable. The real difference between most of the folks we see fall and King David was that King David was annointed, and he was called &#8220;a man after God&#8217;s own heart.&#8221; When Nathan came to David with a rebuke, David went to the extreme to repent and intercede for the unborn child. None of us are perfect, but David&#8217;s example shows us how we can stumble and yet be restored. </p>
<p>True, many people out there may occasionally say something that is true, even noteworthy, however the Bible teaches us that the sheep know the voice of the shepherd. And nobody else really matters do they? We may be able to use a nugget as a conversation starter or point of agreement as long as we always point towards Jesus as the truth in that nugget, relating it to the Word.</p>
<p>Much of the &#8220;religious&#8221; folk in America are trying so hard to be culturally relevant and would love so much to claim this celebrity or that one as one of their own, (as if this were some badge of honor), they forget the simplicity of the Gospel and our mandate: &#8220;Go and make disciples&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>If we followed the example of the sheep, and fed, clothed, visited those that needed it in Jesus&#8217; name, the church would be relevant where it stood, no celebrities needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Arnold</title>
		<link>http://www.viraljesus.org/2010/08/we-told-him-to-stop-because-he-was-not-one-of-us/comment-page-1/#comment-2922</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Arnold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 21:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t argue with a thing you&#039;ve said, and I completely agree 100%. As I have posted before during the election season (http://www.viraljesus.org/2008/10/a-savior-on-capitol-hill), I have the same issues with connecting Jesus to the political process. Thanks for wrestling with this with me - I think we all learn a lot by throwing these thorny issues around in good faith. And no, I did not see that thread - I will have to do some Facebook searching :-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t argue with a thing you&#8217;ve said, and I completely agree 100%. As I have posted before during the election season (<a href="http://www.viraljesus.org/2008/10/a-savior-on-capitol-hill" rel="nofollow">http://www.viraljesus.org/2008/10/a-savior-on-capitol-hill</a>), I have the same issues with connecting Jesus to the political process. Thanks for wrestling with this with me &#8211; I think we all learn a lot by throwing these thorny issues around in good faith. And no, I did not see that thread &#8211; I will have to do some Facebook searching <img src='http://www.viraljesus.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Daphyne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daphyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 17:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t do well conversing with my parents on that topic and I&#039;m imagining that you saw the thread.

You know, I don&#039;t have a problem with someone saying, &quot;Turn back to JESUS. Repent,&quot; even if that person is Balaam.  My problem is with the American politicizing of Christianity. My problem is more along these lines, &quot;Repent  and vote for Palin or whoever.&quot;   I&#039;m about as conservative as they come. I really like Beck, but I&#039;m hugely frustrated by the muddying of conservative politics and the Gospel. Some people are practically trying to turn Glenn Beck into the new Messiah. I swear in some churches, you are more likely to hear Glenn Beck&#039;s or Palin&#039;s name mentioned before Jesus&#039;. That bothers me. Preach the Gospel and vote your conscious, but don&#039;t belittle the Gospel by turning it into your watered down moralized Americanized version.  And just for the record,  I&#039;m just as frustrated by the marrying of the liberal social agenda and Christianity.

As far as the passage goes, I think it is important to note that it says, &quot;IN MY NAME.&quot; That is the important thing. If we are going to call America to repentance in JESUS&#039; name, then great. I&#039;m all for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t do well conversing with my parents on that topic and I&#8217;m imagining that you saw the thread.</p>
<p>You know, I don&#8217;t have a problem with someone saying, &#8220;Turn back to JESUS. Repent,&#8221; even if that person is Balaam.  My problem is with the American politicizing of Christianity. My problem is more along these lines, &#8220;Repent  and vote for Palin or whoever.&#8221;   I&#8217;m about as conservative as they come. I really like Beck, but I&#8217;m hugely frustrated by the muddying of conservative politics and the Gospel. Some people are practically trying to turn Glenn Beck into the new Messiah. I swear in some churches, you are more likely to hear Glenn Beck&#8217;s or Palin&#8217;s name mentioned before Jesus&#8217;. That bothers me. Preach the Gospel and vote your conscious, but don&#8217;t belittle the Gospel by turning it into your watered down moralized Americanized version.  And just for the record,  I&#8217;m just as frustrated by the marrying of the liberal social agenda and Christianity.</p>
<p>As far as the passage goes, I think it is important to note that it says, &#8220;IN MY NAME.&#8221; That is the important thing. If we are going to call America to repentance in JESUS&#8217; name, then great. I&#8217;m all for it.</p>
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